Comments on: Looking Back to 2006, Predictions for 2007 http://www.rittmanmead.com/2006/12/31/looking-back-to-2006-predictions-for-2007/ Delivered Intelligence Wed, 17 Mar 2010 13:47:41 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: vidya http://www.rittmanmead.com/2006/12/31/looking-back-to-2006-predictions-for-2007/comment-page-1/#comment-2067 vidya Fri, 26 Jan 2007 17:58:58 +0000 http://www.rittmanmead.com/wp2/2006/12/31/looking-back-to-2006-predictions-for-2007/#comment-2067 Mark, as a follow-up to you note, we have Publisher Desktop installed and have found enormous options in terms of Reporting from a word template builder with Data loaded from XML or SQL. There was one thing though that we were trying to do and were pretty unsuccessful so far as you mentioned "XML Publisher isn’t integrated with BI Suite EE " - but we thought we could take the Request XML(Advanced Tab) in Siebel Analytics save it as an XML file and Load that into XML Publisher. The fields that got imported were fields like @xmlns:saw - now we are not sure is this functionality can be explored or if this is something we will still need to wait on future releases. Thanks again for the great post! Mark,
as a follow-up to you note, we have Publisher Desktop installed and have found enormous options in terms of Reporting from a word template builder with Data loaded from XML or SQL. There was one thing though that we were trying to do and were pretty unsuccessful so far
as you mentioned “XML Publisher isn’t integrated with BI Suite EE ” – but we thought we could take the Request XML(Advanced Tab) in Siebel Analytics save it as an XML file and Load that into XML Publisher.

The fields that got imported were fields like @xmlns:saw – now we are not sure is this functionality can be explored or if this is something we will still need to wait on future releases.

Thanks again for the great post!

]]> By: Log Buffer #26: a Carnival of the Vanities for DBAs · Steve Karam · The Oracle Alchemist http://www.rittmanmead.com/2006/12/31/looking-back-to-2006-predictions-for-2007/comment-page-1/#comment-2066 Log Buffer #26: a Carnival of the Vanities for DBAs · Steve Karam · The Oracle Alchemist Fri, 05 Jan 2007 17:09:09 +0000 http://www.rittmanmead.com/wp2/2006/12/31/looking-back-to-2006-predictions-for-2007/#comment-2066 [...] Mark Rittman has a very lengthy and in depth article on his views of 2006 and upcoming technologies for 2007 in his Oracle BI Blog. It is definitely worth a read! [...] [...] Mark Rittman has a very lengthy and in depth article on his views of 2006 and upcoming technologies for 2007 in his Oracle BI Blog. It is definitely worth a read! [...]

]]> By: vidya http://www.rittmanmead.com/2006/12/31/looking-back-to-2006-predictions-for-2007/comment-page-1/#comment-2065 vidya Thu, 04 Jan 2007 22:46:02 +0000 http://www.rittmanmead.com/wp2/2006/12/31/looking-back-to-2006-predictions-for-2007/#comment-2065 Mark that was fantastic ! Thanks a lot! Mark that was fantastic ! Thanks a lot!

]]> By: mark http://www.rittmanmead.com/2006/12/31/looking-back-to-2006-predictions-for-2007/comment-page-1/#comment-2064 mark Thu, 04 Jan 2007 21:39:13 +0000 http://www.rittmanmead.com/wp2/2006/12/31/looking-back-to-2006-predictions-for-2007/#comment-2064 Vidya, XML Publisher isn't integrated with BI Suite EE yet, so you won't find it as part of the Siebel Analytics 7.8 installation you're working with. This release comes with Actuate, and that's what the "Advanced Reporting" link is when you use the Dashboard product. XMLP (or BI Publisher, as it's being renamed) will be part of the next release (codenamed "Maui" which according to Oracle, will be out sometime this year. As you say, Answers is an ad-hoc query tool, and Dashboard allows you to aggregate Answers queries and link them together. Although you can arrange Answers reports into dashboard pages, they're not really designed for "Publishing", they're more for viewing on-screen. XML Publisher though gives you far more options on output - you can arrange the (printed) page however you want, format it for printing out, use barcodes, add images and so on, and you can source the data (when Maui comes out) from either the Semantic Model, or from an Answers report. So - Answers and Dashboard are for online viewing of data, with interactivity, dashboard prompts, graphs and other web paraphenalia. Publisher is for when you want to output as a document, say as a PDF, or a printed page, or even as an XML output stream, maybe send the reports out via email or burst them for multiple receipients - it's like comparing Discoverer/Portal to Oracle Reports - one's for ad-hoc analysis, one's for "printing it out" and sending it to people. hope this helps Mark Vidya,

XML Publisher isn’t integrated with BI Suite EE yet, so you won’t find it as part of the Siebel Analytics 7.8 installation you’re working with. This release comes with Actuate, and that’s what the “Advanced Reporting” link is when you use the Dashboard product. XMLP (or BI Publisher, as it’s being renamed) will be part of the next release (codenamed “Maui” which according to Oracle, will be out sometime this year.

As you say, Answers is an ad-hoc query tool, and Dashboard allows you to aggregate Answers queries and link them together. Although you can arrange Answers reports into dashboard pages, they’re not really designed for “Publishing”, they’re more for viewing on-screen. XML Publisher though gives you far more options on output – you can arrange the (printed) page however you want, format it for printing out, use barcodes, add images and so on, and you can source the data (when Maui comes out) from either the Semantic Model, or from an Answers report.

So – Answers and Dashboard are for online viewing of data, with interactivity, dashboard prompts, graphs and other web paraphenalia. Publisher is for when you want to output as a document, say as a PDF, or a printed page, or even as an XML output stream, maybe send the reports out via email or burst them for multiple receipients – it’s like comparing Discoverer/Portal to Oracle Reports – one’s for ad-hoc analysis, one’s for “printing it out” and sending it to people.

hope this helps

Mark

]]> By: vidya http://www.rittmanmead.com/2006/12/31/looking-back-to-2006-predictions-for-2007/comment-page-1/#comment-2063 vidya Thu, 04 Jan 2007 20:01:13 +0000 http://www.rittmanmead.com/wp2/2006/12/31/looking-back-to-2006-predictions-for-2007/#comment-2063 I realized a few letters on my keyboard are not working - please ignore the typos above - again your input will be greatly appreciated. I realized a few letters on my keyboard are not working – please ignore the typos above – again your input will be greatly appreciated.

]]> By: vidya http://www.rittmanmead.com/2006/12/31/looking-back-to-2006-predictions-for-2007/comment-page-1/#comment-2062 vidya Thu, 04 Jan 2007 19:54:37 +0000 http://www.rittmanmead.com/wp2/2006/12/31/looking-back-to-2006-predictions-for-2007/#comment-2062 Mark, at thi spoint I have finished an implementation using Siebel Analytics so I am a little familiar with how it works. I am getting ready to test out a few Reports using Oracle XML Publisher. I am little confused a) I see Siebel Analytics as an adhoc uerying tool that power users can use to create their Reports and publish them on Dashboards that the end users can see. b)I thought XML Publisher does the same - meaning you can publish Reports on the XML Publisher server the only difference being you can control the template layout etc from word. so at this point why do we have 2 products, most likely the end users would like to go only to one interface to view their Reports - I am probably missing something , your inout will be greatly appreciated. Mark, at thi spoint I have finished an implementation using Siebel Analytics so I am a little familiar with how it works. I am getting ready to test out a few Reports using Oracle XML Publisher.
I am little confused a) I see Siebel Analytics as an adhoc uerying tool that power users can use to create their Reports and publish them on Dashboards that the end users can see.
b)I thought XML Publisher does the same – meaning you can publish Reports on the XML Publisher server the only difference being you can control the template layout etc from word.

so at this point why do we have 2 products, most likely the end users would like to go only to one interface to view their Reports – I am probably missing something , your inout will be greatly appreciated.

]]> By: Jon http://www.rittmanmead.com/2006/12/31/looking-back-to-2006-predictions-for-2007/comment-page-1/#comment-2061 Jon Thu, 04 Jan 2007 16:11:33 +0000 http://www.rittmanmead.com/wp2/2006/12/31/looking-back-to-2006-predictions-for-2007/#comment-2061 Web Center is a $50,000 option to AS EE which costs $30,000 per CPU. $80,000 per CPU is really expensive! Seeing how it is an option to AS EE, I bet you still must have OID, Portal, etc running. I don't see it being a thin, easy to install and administer Portal with separate environments (test, qa, production). If Oracle doesn't go buy something and Web Center is integrated into the mess of AS EE, then customers won't be running to this product. It kind of reminds me of Oracle 9iAS Release 1 with a bunch of different products being loosely bundled together but being sold as an integrated solution. Web Center is a $50,000 option to AS EE which costs $30,000 per CPU. $80,000 per CPU is really expensive!

Seeing how it is an option to AS EE, I bet you still must have OID, Portal, etc running. I don’t see it being a thin, easy to install and administer Portal with separate environments (test, qa, production).

If Oracle doesn’t go buy something and Web Center is integrated into the mess of AS EE, then customers won’t be running to this product.

It kind of reminds me of Oracle 9iAS Release 1 with a bunch of different products being loosely bundled together but being sold as an integrated solution.

]]> By: mark http://www.rittmanmead.com/2006/12/31/looking-back-to-2006-predictions-for-2007/comment-page-1/#comment-2060 mark Tue, 02 Jan 2007 21:37:01 +0000 http://www.rittmanmead.com/wp2/2006/12/31/looking-back-to-2006-predictions-for-2007/#comment-2060 Jon - don't forget though, Web Center is out later next year, the "Web 2.0" portal offering from Oracle that ticks all the right boxes in terms of SOA, Ajax and all the other stuff. Couple that with the Siebel Dashboards product which is already a BI Portal all ready to go, I don't think they'd be looking for additional acquisitions in this area. You never know though, anythings possible... Jon – don’t forget though, Web Center is out later next year, the “Web 2.0″ portal offering from Oracle that ticks all the right boxes in terms of SOA, Ajax and all the other stuff. Couple that with the Siebel Dashboards product which is already a BI Portal all ready to go, I don’t think they’d be looking for additional acquisitions in this area. You never know though, anythings possible…

]]> By: Jon http://www.rittmanmead.com/2006/12/31/looking-back-to-2006-predictions-for-2007/comment-page-1/#comment-2059 Jon Tue, 02 Jan 2007 21:02:52 +0000 http://www.rittmanmead.com/wp2/2006/12/31/looking-back-to-2006-predictions-for-2007/#comment-2059 I predict Oracle will buy a Portal from someone and revamp Oracle Portal. It is the next piece of the puzzle in terms of BI. I predict Oracle will buy a Portal from someone and revamp Oracle Portal. It is the next piece of the puzzle in terms of BI.

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